The scammer protocol..

[Don.Varela]

If Selets idea were to happen, there has to be more to it, because basically we're just letting them save up.. Maybe a cut in the interest they gain by half or something..??

and yes Ill it would have to be account ban with ip ban to make it work - as it was. If they make a new account and scam, then the same punishment would be repeated.

Just keep the ban and put the hammer down

LOL! 

[TwIzTeD]

Selets idea is great, but why give them the oppurtunity tto continue playing? The ban should be permanent and done in more ways than one. I've never been scammed by my tolerance for it is 0. One chance and one chance only. If caught, see ya.
As far as anon, going outside mk for real cash deal may be against rules but I don't see reason for him to be banned. He is a long time player. And trustworthy in my book. I've loaned points and received them exactly when he said he'd return them. It was a mistake. Period.
My opinion may not matter much to some people here but it is just that, my opinion.

[Don.Varela]

There should not be ANY favoritism at all. If you broke the rules you should get banned!

[TwIzTeD]

I'm not showing favoritism. I just think that lesson has been learned. Admin has stated his feelings already on that matter anyhow. I think any further violations of this type should be banned, but he also stated on that matter as well. Mk gets my cash, not any players regardless of the deal they present. I support the game of mk and that's it. I don't know anon anymore than I know anyone else. I just think we need to present a case to admin saying we think its a bannable offense from now on. Reasons previously stated by Jaycee. If mk starts getting under cut by players going outside the game for deals the game will fail. I for one will do everything I can to keep mk up.

[JERRY.JERRY.JERRY...]

I'm not showing favoritism. I just think that lesson has been learned. Admin has stated his feelings already on that matter anyhow. I think any further violations of this type should be banned, but he also stated on that matter as well. Mk gets my cash, not any players regardless of the deal they present. I support the game of mk and that's it. I don't know anon anymore than I know anyone else. I just think we need to present a case to admin saying we think its a bannable offense from now on. Reasons previously stated by Jaycee. If mk starts getting under cut by players going outside the game for deals the game will fail. I for one will do everything I can to keep mk up.

4. Anon also broke the rules by trying to buy points off site. Not to mention it was Anon who invited Grumpster to chat off-site WHY??
^^ from ADMIN announcement

also, i just checked, but i dont see in Rules or in TOS that its not allowed to sell points/creds for PayPal cash
so its allowed ?

[Depth]

While I would like to see the ban hammer go down swiftly on people the first time they scam just as much as anyone else I believe they should be given ONE chance (flag their account as a 'possible scammer'.
If they re-offended then it's either an outright ban or go with the suggested option from Selet and remove their rights to send/receive items/money/points/credit unless done so through the markets and flag their account as a 'confirmed scammer'. (Oh what if people want to send them gifts, too bad they don't deserve them and have given up on having those permissions).

IP addresses change all the time so an IP ban is easy enough to avoid, the only thing they would really loose is their account in this situation. If they are the type of person to make a new one they likely don't care and will do it again.
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@cristian28, even though it is not in the rules or TOS the stuff on your account is not your property, it is the property of mafiakings.com and therefore not yours to sell for real money.

[JERRY.JERRY.JERRY...]

@cristian28, even though it is not in the rules or TOS the stuff on your account is not your property, it is the property of mafiakings.com and therefore not yours to sell for real money.

my point was that some time ago i think it was in Rules, that you cant sell for real cash
so my question was: were the rules changed ?
and now its posible to sell ?

maybe you notice it in there,lol

[TwiztedYoungMan]

I agree with bans being implemented, but the thing is, you've got to have conclusive proof. Which is not present or available here because I did nothing wrong. End of.

[...:::HYPERION:::...]

ok i've been reading this topic and i agreed with generally every post that was made. i'd rather have scammers banned rather than selet's can't send/recieve idea as banning 100% gets the scammer off the game.

the reason i am posting now is because of the comment above which has narked me off a massive amount, seriously grumpster? you've been banned 3 times before this for scamming the fact every time you've been reported you've said "not my fault" "have no prove" "go show admin" probs your 3 most well-known quotes, many off which after being unbanned you have paid the person back what they were owned.

now to this other point

I agree with bans being implemented, but the thing is, you've got to have conclusive proof. Which is not present or available here because I did nothing wrong. End of.

   

Nothing wrong? you did a deal off-site that itself is aganist the rules and therfore you should be banned for even doing the deal, secondly you even scammed the person in the off-site deal, 110 pounds for 2 points.

should both of you's be banned, well techinally yes because you's both broke the rules, but if we take a look into the past didn't tangs once do this sort of deal and was given a harsh warning, maybe this should be a more stricted punishment in this case due to showing people this sort of stick isn't allowed in the game.

despite the fact he might be banned anon has said numerous times in gang shout that he doesn't want to be banned but if the outcome was a ban he would understand that he did something wrong and had to suffer the circumstances.

guess it just a waiting game untill the admin see's this and in the end it's his decision, just don't moan and bitch when you eventually get your ban grumpster because even if you don't get banned on this occasion, your never to far away from another scam and another thread where you say your famous quote "you have no prove go show admin"   

[Amsterdam]

Personally i don't  get why its even coming into question how to deal with scammers, its been proven time after time after time, if they get unbanned, they scam again.

I agree with bans being implemented, but the thing is, you've got to have conclusive proof. Which is not present or available here because I did nothing wrong. End of.

This actually made me laugh, the fact there's no conclusive proof? Are you trying to imply anon's money just vanished into thin air? We didn't ALL come down in the last shower you know.

[TwiztedYoungMan]

I provided all necessary proof to ADMIN to prove that I received no money whatsoever, and then I provided detailed screenshots of all parts of my PayPal account to show no transaction took place between us.

[Don.Varela]

IP addresses change all the time so an IP ban is easy enough to avoid, the only thing they would really loose is their account in this situation. If they are the type of person to make a new one they likely don't care and will do it again.

I believe that you always have some characters that make it unique, for instance, my always starts with 190.135, and then carries on... Although I do not know much about this, but would be possible ban that part?

[TwiztedYoungMan]

IP addresses change all the time so an IP ban is easy enough to avoid, the only thing they would really loose is their account in this situation. If they are the type of person to make a new one they likely don't care and will do it again.

I believe that you always have some characters that make it unique, for instance, my always starts with 190.135, and then carries on... Although I do not know much about this, but would be possible ban that part?

You could. But people could come back with a proxy, and by banning a whole section of IP addresses, you may end up banning legitimate users using an IP address from that range.

[Don.Varela]

OK, did not know that . I do not know pretty much about this...

[...:::HYPERION:::...]

I provided all necessary proof to ADMIN to prove that I received no money whatsoever, and then I provided detailed screenshots of all parts of my PayPal account to show no transaction took place between us.

you know quite a lot about computers grump so. i guess you have fine knowledge and an understanding of changing screenshots, not saying you did but you could have.

also why would anon make this up if this puts himself at risk of getting banned?